Sundering Weapon Mod and Strength Stack? - Guild Wars Forums

Sir Tidus · Mar 30, 2008, 05:23 AM // 05:23

Nevermind, it does stack. I found it on wiki. Though on one of the builds on GvX wiki it said that sundering mods don't stack with primal rage. I'm kinda puzzled. GvX is wrong right?

Tarun · Mar 30, 2008, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Not sure if sundering stacks. I don't even know why people think it's so great.

Sundering isn't all people crack it up to be. Vamp can be quite nice as it's an extra 3 damage per hit. A lot of the other mods have better benefits and can raise your DPS.

Nyktos · Mar 30, 2008, 05:40 AM // 05:40

Primal Rage doesn't stack with Strength, but it does stack with sundering. See here.

Sir Tidus · Mar 30, 2008, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Originally Posted by Nyktos

Primal Rage doesn't stack with Strength, but it does stack with sundering. See here.

Right, that's what I thought. So I guess it was just a mistake made by the person who put up the build then.

lordheinous · Mar 30, 2008, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by Tarun

Not sure if sundering stacks. I don't even know why people think it's so great.

Sundering isn't all people crack it up to be. Vamp can be quite nice as it's an extra 3 damage per hit. A lot of the other mods have better benefits and can raise your DPS.

Sorry, don't know what you're on, but a perfect vampiric mod steals 5 life, not 3. Hate to break it to you, but I think you've been using an imperfect mod

Zamochit · Mar 30, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

Perfect vamp is 5-1 on bows, hammers and scythes.

Perfect vamp is 3-1 on axes, daggers, spears and swords.

Quaker · Mar 30, 2008, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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Originally Posted by Tarun

Sundering isn't all people crack it up to be. Vamp can be quite nice as it's an extra 3 damage per hit. A lot of the other mods have better benefits and can raise your DPS.

Vamp isn't all people crack it up to be either. Basically, in any discussion of Vamp vs Sundering, the arguement usually ends up with someone saying something like "If you look at the damage output over 1000 hits, you'll see that <insert favorite damage type> is better."

Well, I'm sorry but, if it takes 1000's of hits to see the difference, the difference is what I would consider, "negligable".

And this is not even mentioning that different foes can have different responses to different damage types.

Sir Tidus · Mar 30, 2008, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Vamp isn't all people crack it up to be either. Basically, in any discussion of Vamp vs Sundering, the arguement usually ends up with someone saying something like "If you look at the damage output over 1000 hits, you'll see that <insert favorite damage type> is better."

Well, I'm sorry but, if it takes 1000's of hits to see the difference, the difference is what I would consider, "negligable".

And this is not even mentioning that different foes can have different responses to different damage types.

Well, though I personnally like sundering better, vamp definitely has more DPS. It's the 1 health degeneration that bugs me. Though if you hit once every 1.5 seconds (about the averge number of times a sword would hit in combat), then the health gain cancels the degeneration, so vamp basically becomes 3 more damage per every 1.5 seconds. That's definitely more than damage increase by sundering. Vamp would be even better if you use an IAS stance. Though if your enemy blocks a lot, then vamp is bad. Overall, the only thing bad about vamp is that you have to switch weapons.

MisterB · Mar 30, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Well, though I personnally like sundering better, vamp definitely has more DPS. It's the 1 health degeneration that bugs me. Though if you hit once every 1.5 seconds (about the averge number of times a sword would hit in combat), then the health gain cancels the degeneration, so vamp basically becomes 3 more damage per every 1.5 seconds. That's definitely more than damage increase by sundering. Vamp would be even better if you use an IAS stance. Though if your enemy blocks a lot, then vamp is bad. Overall, the only thing bad about vamp is that you have to switch weapons.

Minor correction.

Swords, Axes, and Daggers have an attack rate of 1.33 seconds. That means you hit 3 times every 4 seconds. If you hit all three times, you steal 9 health, but lose 8 health from the -1 degen, for a net gain of 1 health. The health gain improves with an IAS, naturally.

isamu kurosawa · Mar 30, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Well, though I personnally like sundering better, vamp definitely has more DPS. It's the 1 health degeneration that bugs me.

Thats why the game allows weapon swapping at the touch of a button.

Sir Tidus · Mar 30, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Minor correction.

Swords, Axes, and Daggers have an attack rate of 1.33 seconds. That means you hit 3 times every 4 seconds. If you hit all three times, you steal 9 health, but lose 8 health from the -1 degen, for a net gain of 1 health. The health gain improves with an IAS, naturally.

I knew it! I knew someone would say this. I guess I just have explain all of my assumptions or else people won't understand. I know that swords have attack rates of one strike per 1.33 seconds. I'm saying 1.5 seconds simply to take into account the times that your attacks get blocked or if you are running from one enemy to another. Yeah I know if your attacks get blocked then you'll hit far less than once per 1.5 seconds, but I'm just doing a very rough average estimation, it's probably off.

N1ghtstalker · Mar 30, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Tarun

Not sure if sundering stacks. I don't even know why people think it's so great.

Sundering isn't all people crack it up to be. Vamp can be quite nice as it's an extra 3 damage per hit. A lot of the other mods have better benefits and can raise your DPS.

vampi is nice in PvP
sundering is good for something in PvE in HM to get a big chunk out of a boss his armor

free_fall · Mar 31, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

In PvE, vamp can be good if you have skills equipped that can compensate for the -1H regen or in areas/situations where the degen can be mitigated.

> The most obvious, of course, is to run Mending on yourself.

> Equip your Vamp and cast Vigorous Spirit on yourself just as you rush to engage. With 8 points in Healing, VS will give +13H with every attack plus the +3H with every hit from the vamp.

> Using skills like Hundred Blades and Sun and Moon Slash will further increase the H return.

> If you're out farming or questing (as opposed to doing a mission) in Elona or Cantha, blessing from Dwayna will give you +1H regen, negating the -1 from the vamp; if you're in a Lux or Kurz area in Cantha, blessing from priests at the shrines gives you +3H regen.

Dark Kal · Mar 31, 2008, 10:41 AM // 10:41

Vamperic mod fanatics leave out any negative effects like: that enemies can block your attacks or that enemies run around after weaker caster classes. Most of them are pretty single minded, more DPS = better with disregard to any negative effects. Not only that, they seem to have a need to enforce their opinions onto others, *cough*arrogant*cough*. Most of the weapon mods are negligable though, the sundering mod and the sundering bonus you get from the strenght attribute are pretty negligable too, you're better of with trying to find a better build using skills IMO, but feel free to try whatever you want as long as you're having fun.

N E D M · Mar 31, 2008, 10:46 AM // 10:46

many pve foes are weak against certain elemental mods (exception : rangers)
avicara seem weak vs shocking
trolls are weak vs fire (and all elements really)
imps are weak vs thier opposite element
etc.
try different things and see what works best for you

isamu kurosawa · Mar 31, 2008, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by free_fall

> The most obvious, of course, is to run Mending on yourself.

Or of course you can run the actual decent option of weapon swapping. Its amazing how many people don't understand the concept of weapon swapping.

It is quite shocking to see the number of people who use a vamp weapon and either spam heal sig or use crap like mending to counter the degen while not in combat.

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

Vamperic mod fanatics leave out any negative effects like: that enemies can block your attacks or that enemies run around after weaker caster classes. Most of them are pretty single minded, more DPS = better with disregard to any negative effects.

Once again maybe because they have the sense to swap out the vamp if its not currently useable. Blocking, kiting and blind are a counter to your whole class regardless of weapon mod so using it as an arguement against the use of a vamp mod is ridiculous.

Numa Pompilius · Mar 31, 2008, 12:06 PM // 12:06

Personally I prefer zealous or elemental.
Vampiric is annoying due to the need to change weapon, and I just don't feel sundering does enough to warrant not using zealous or elemental damage. I mean, 5-15 extra damage or so every fifth hit isn't really likely to swing the battle.

JR · Mar 31, 2008, 12:24 PM // 12:24

Sundering is for lazy people who don't care about weapon swapping, which in PvE is fair enough due to the tiny difference it makes.

Vamp is for people who care about being efficient and generating as much DPS as possible.

Some side notes: You do not need to gimp yourself with mending or vig spirit to use Vampiric. If you are hitting something then you are gaining health from it. If you aren't hitting something you should swap to a different weapon or hit something else.

Vampiric further and further outperforms Sundering as you increase the armor level of your target, as the damage bonus is completely unchanged by armor.

Also; sundering vs vamp threads are about as old as Guild Wars. Go look them up, i'm sure there are a good 50+.

Sir Tidus · Mar 31, 2008, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by JR

Sundering is for lazy people who don't care about weapon swapping, which in PvE is fair enough due to the tiny difference it makes.

Vamp is for people who care about being efficient and generating as much DPS as possible.

Some side notes: You do not need to gimp yourself with mending or vig spirit to use Vampiric. If you are hitting something then you are gaining health from it. If you aren't hitting something you should swap to a different weapon or hit something else.

Vampiric further and further outperforms Sundering as you increase the armor level of your target, as the damage bonus is completely unchanged by armor.

Also; sundering vs vamp threads are about as old as Guild Wars. Go look them up, i'm sure there are a good 50+.

Usually which one wins?

Dante the Warlord · Mar 31, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Zealous and elemental damage is the BEST hands down. I get two elemental mods a zealous mod and a vampiric mod on my swords. But mods overall are pretty negligible. I can be sure that a person with a well built build and a white sword nonmax can beat down a rich arrogant noob with the very best mods there are to offer and the best top of the line sword skin. Haha die holding you crystalline :P.

Mods really account for 10% of the entire fight, and thats overall. Now if you are facing an advanced player every little mod counts, but odds are you are grouped up on during PvP and you will be doing the same to other ppl. its all strategy...

Mar 30, 2008, 05:23 AM // 05:23	#1
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Sundering Weapon Mod and Strength Stack? Nevermind, it does stack. I found it on wiki. Though on one of the builds on GvX wiki it said that sundering mods don't stack with primal rage. I'm kinda puzzled. GvX is wrong right? Last edited by Sir Tidus; Mar 30, 2008 at 05:33 AM // 05:33..

Mar 31, 2008, 12:24 PM // 12:24	#18
JR Re:tired Join Date: Nov 2005 Profession: W/	Sundering is for lazy people who don't care about weapon swapping, which in PvE is fair enough due to the tiny difference it makes. Vamp is for people who care about being efficient and generating as much DPS as possible. Some side notes: You do not need to gimp yourself with mending or vig spirit to use Vampiric. If you are hitting something then you are gaining health from it. If you aren't hitting something you should swap to a different weapon or hit something else. Vampiric further and further outperforms Sundering as you increase the armor level of your target, as the damage bonus is completely unchanged by armor. Also; sundering vs vamp threads are about as old as Guild Wars. Go look them up, i'm sure there are a good 50+. Last edited by JR; Mar 31, 2008 at 12:26 PM // 12:26..

Mar 30, 2008, 05:27 AM // 05:27	#2
Tarun Technician's Corner Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The TARDIS Guild: http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/	Not sure if sundering stacks. I don't even know why people think it's so great. Sundering isn't all people crack it up to be. Vamp can be quite nice as it's an extra 3 damage per hit. A lot of the other mods have better benefits and can raise your DPS.

Mar 30, 2008, 05:40 AM // 05:40	#3
Nyktos Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2007 Guild: The Nyktos Guild [win]	Primal Rage doesn't stack with Strength, but it does stack with sundering. See here.

Mar 30, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19	#6
Zamochit Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: N/A	Perfect vamp is 5-1 on bows, hammers and scythes. Perfect vamp is 3-1 on axes, daggers, spears and swords.

Mar 31, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22	#13
free_fall Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	In PvE, vamp can be good if you have skills equipped that can compensate for the -1H regen or in areas/situations where the degen can be mitigated. > The most obvious, of course, is to run Mending on yourself. > Equip your Vamp and cast Vigorous Spirit on yourself just as you rush to engage. With 8 points in Healing, VS will give +13H with every attack plus the +3H with every hit from the vamp. > Using skills like Hundred Blades and Sun and Moon Slash will further increase the H return. > If you're out farming or questing (as opposed to doing a mission) in Elona or Cantha, blessing from Dwayna will give you +1H regen, negating the -1 from the vamp; if you're in a Lux or Kurz area in Cantha, blessing from priests at the shrines gives you +3H regen.

Mar 31, 2008, 10:41 AM // 10:41	#14
Dark Kal Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2006	Vamperic mod fanatics leave out any negative effects like: that enemies can block your attacks or that enemies run around after weaker caster classes. Most of them are pretty single minded, more DPS = better with disregard to any negative effects. Not only that, they seem to have a need to enforce their opinions onto others, cougharrogantcough. Most of the weapon mods are negligable though, the sundering mod and the sundering bonus you get from the strenght attribute are pretty negligable too, you're better of with trying to find a better build using skills IMO, but feel free to try whatever you want as long as you're having fun.

Mar 31, 2008, 10:46 AM // 10:46	#15
N E D M Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Officer's Club Guild: Gameamp Guides [AMP]	many pve foes are weak against certain elemental mods (exception : rangers) avicara seem weak vs shocking trolls are weak vs fire (and all elements really) imps are weak vs thier opposite element etc. try different things and see what works best for you

Mar 31, 2008, 12:06 PM // 12:06	#17
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Personally I prefer zealous or elemental. Vampiric is annoying due to the need to change weapon, and I just don't feel sundering does enough to warrant not using zealous or elemental damage. I mean, 5-15 extra damage or so every fifth hit isn't really likely to swing the battle.

Mar 31, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15	#20
Dante the Warlord Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/R	Zealous and elemental damage is the BEST hands down. I get two elemental mods a zealous mod and a vampiric mod on my swords. But mods overall are pretty negligible. I can be sure that a person with a well built build and a white sword nonmax can beat down a rich arrogant noob with the very best mods there are to offer and the best top of the line sword skin. Haha die holding you crystalline :P. Mods really account for 10% of the entire fight, and thats overall. Now if you are facing an advanced player every little mod counts, but odds are you are grouped up on during PvP and you will be doing the same to other ppl. its all strategy...